The complete twitter stream from the Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling workshop, with many thanks to Trevor Muñoz for harvesting it. The complete stream in XML is also available for download.
2012-03-16, 21:38
@julia_flanders I've been silently following #kodm and also occasionally viewed the
live stream. Thanks for this excellent service!
2012-03-16, 21:04
RT @trevormunoz: Afternoon session at #kodm begins. Fotis Jannidis discussing
"Digital literary history and its discontent" http://t.co/V5AS15MG
2012-03-16, 21:03
RT @trevormunoz: MSMQ: "Doing humanities with computers is playing humanities for
keeps" #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:50
RT @trevormunoz: MSMQ: It is necessary to treat modeling as more than a technical
topic. But it unavoidably a technical topic. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:50
RT @trevormunoz: MSMQ: computers force us to think harder about the objects of our
discourse. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:35
#kodm end of a tour de force by Michael Sperberg McQueen. No questions possible. all
done
2012-03-16, 20:33
@trevormunoz +100. E.g. one of the thorniest issues we dealt with was how to model
abbreviations in EpiDoc #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:32
MSMQ appears to be starting in on his promised "farrago of quotations", heading
toward the end of #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:30
MSMQ: Humanists often have incomplete information and modeling incomplete information
is hard. #kodm [What do the epigraphers think?]
2012-03-16, 20:30
#kodm msmq radical reduction, simplified abstractions, is useful. Stripping out
nuance, which irritates humanists, can be informative
2012-03-16, 20:23
Don't trust anybody talking about intellectual implications of models if they don't
build models by themselves #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:22
RT @elli_m: #kodm msmq never trust someone who talks about the intellectual
implications of models if he hasn't build models himself.//Amen!
2012-03-16, 20:22
Aaaawwww ... I want to hear that complaint about RDF. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:22
MSMQ: It is necessary to treat modeling as more than a technical topic. But it
unavoidably a technical topic. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:22
#kodm msmq never trust someone who talks about the intellectual implications of
models if he hasn't build models himself.
2012-03-16, 20:20
@sramsay For all the Wittgenstein that's come up during #kodm, I've wondered if it
couldn't do with more Popper… (anti-Aristotelian enough?)
2012-03-16, 20:20
RT @sramsay: Can you be a neopragmatist, deleuzian, heraclitean, wittgenstein head,
and still be a digital humanist? #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:18
MSMQ: You don't want to restrict a standard to the people who already know what it
means. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:17
#kodm msmq if we don't have formalized models, we can't be rigorous about testing
or
communicating
2012-03-16, 20:17
MSMQ: "We want our models to be ways in which we can disagree with each other".
#kodm
2012-03-16, 20:13
be an Aristotelian. Because I'm really, really not. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:13
MSMQ: the more formal we can make our models, the easier it is to put them to test
& advance our understanding of thing being modeled #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:13
MSMQ: The more formal the model the better: the more testable, the more
consequential. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:12
You know, we ask if you have to know how to program to be a digital humanist, but
this conference is making me ask if you have to + #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:10
MSMQ: Doing Digital Humanities is doing Humanities for keeps. Because you can see
the
implications of your assumptions. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:10
MSMQ: Reification as the key stage in making explicit our assumptions and clarifying
our understanding. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:10
MSMQ: "Doing humanities with computers is playing humanities for keeps" #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:09
Reflecting on @sramsay 's talk, question lingers about where on the slope between
data model & processing model this forcing occurs #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:08
MSMQ: computers force us to think harder about the objects of our discourse.
#kodm
2012-03-16, 20:06
MSMQ: Tag abuse is lying to the processor. Becomes a real problem when you change
processors. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:06
MSMQ on overlap prob—how you feel re: still talking abt it says where you fall
on divide btwn utilitarian models & theoretic modeling #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:05
MSMQ: Humanists traditionally didn't worry about utilitarian modeling because we
didn't build things. But now we have that capability #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:05
#kodm msmq overlap problme around for 30 years, but @allenrenear says it remains in
play because tit is THE problem, nothing beyond it
2012-03-16, 20:00
RT @jean_bauer: MSMQ: Modeling is a way to make explicit our assumptions about our
premises. #kodm
2012-03-16, 20:00
RT @elli_m: #kodm msmq Modeling is a way to make explicit our assumptions and the
premises for our work.
2012-03-16, 19:58
RT @elli_m: #kodm msmq Modeling is a way to make explicit our assumptions and the
premises for our work.
2012-03-16, 19:57
MSMQ: Modelling as a means of clarifying our thinking about the modelled domain.
Alleluia! #kodm
2012-03-16, 19:56
MSMQ: Modeling is a way to make explicit our assumptions about our premises.
#kodm
2012-03-16, 19:56
RT @trevormunoz: MSMQ: "Modeling is a way for us to make explicit the premises for
our work" #kodm
2012-03-16, 19:56
MSMQ: "Modeling is a way for us to make explicit the premises for our work"
#kodm
2012-03-16, 19:55
#kodm msmq Modeling is a way to make explicit our assumptions and the premises for
our work.
2012-03-16, 19:54
Hadn't realized that Nancy Ide had chimed in on the "Should humanists learn to
program" question back in the day. #kodm
2012-03-16, 19:54
#kodm models are also intellectual constructs in their own right.
2012-03-16, 19:52
RT @elli_m: #kodm msmq main reason we model in dh is in order to build tools and
systems.
2012-03-16, 19:51
#kodm tension between customization/standardization: the latter has advantages for
community, the former better for individual purposes.
2012-03-16, 19:50
#kodm MSMQ: One the most important roles of models in DH is to *build* systems and
tools.
2012-03-16, 19:49
#kodm msmq main reason we model in dh is in order to build tools and system.
2012-03-16, 19:46
Best definition of modeling that MSMQ has seen is that by Minsky quoted in Willard
McCarty's companion essay: http://t.co/v2Pzaciy #kodm
2012-03-16, 19:45
#kodm msmq thanks organizers because they didn't begin conference with panel
discussion defining "modeling".
2012-03-16, 19:44
@julia_flanders I'm listening in to #kodm - awesome talks and discussion
2012-03-16, 19:42
@julia_flanders I've been silently following along! Wish I had been there.
#kodm
2012-03-16, 19:38
shout-out to those who followed #kodm with thanks for listening--any silent followers
pls send me msg/mail? counting heads for grant report
2012-03-16, 19:37
#kodm msmq using carpet as a text, problems of transcribing the 2D vs spoken
text(=1D). NB the carpet is covered w/ letters
2012-03-16, 19:34
#kodm Michael Sperberg McQueen closing keynote.
2012-03-16, 19:30
#kodm will now be treated to a Michael Sperberg-McQueen closing keynote.
Hurrah!
2012-03-16, 19:22
@sramsay 's remark, "Every data model is asymptotically approaching a processing
model," could usefully be extended to (+) #kodm
2012-03-16, 19:17
Sounds a bit like object-oriented versus functional data modeling? #kodm
2012-03-16, 19:15
Network flakiness on my end makes me think I'm missing some great questions.
#kodm
2012-03-16, 19:12
Fabulous talk by @sramsay at #kodm
2012-03-16, 19:11
#kodm @julia_flanders: ODD reflects changing view of the text. @sramsay replies that
ODD reflects changing abilities to process the text
2012-03-16, 19:08
@sramsay makes the point that Lisp's downfall as a modeling language is that Lisp
can
do everything—there's no call to go outside it. #kodm
2012-03-16, 19:01
RT @elli_m: #kodm hah - @ramsay the more power the processor has, the less power
inheres in the modeler.
2012-03-16, 19:01
Ramsay: Limiting commitments in the model retains flexibility but limits its semantic
expressivity and power. #kodm
2012-03-16, 19:01
#kodm hah - @ramsay the more power the processor has, the less power inheres in the
modeler.
2012-03-16, 19:00
#kodm question may not be "are the semantics in our models adequate?" but "are they
located in the right place?"
2012-03-16, 18:59
.@sramsay "Every data model is asymptotically approaching a processing model"
#kodm
2012-03-16, 18:58
Ramsay: XML ecosystem decouples data-modelling from processing; Lisp unites these
two
aspects. #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:56
#kodm @sramsay so xml differs from s expressions in where the semantics lies
(xml->schema) (s expression->lisp)
2012-03-16, 18:55
@sramsay rehearsing flame war on s-expressions vs XML to explore what "semantics,"
well, *means*. #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:55
Ramsay: XSLT and Lisp-family languages united in that they're both homoiconic.
#kodm
2012-03-16, 18:55
#kodm xml has a semantics iff you have a way to turn it into something else. ie a
schema and a language to process it with.
2012-03-16, 18:54
.@sramsay: "I've read this entire flame-war so you don't have to" #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:52
.@sramsay Wittgenstein's idea of use in context gives us an interesting way of
talking about computation #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:50
#kodm may be easier to wait for @sramsay to post his talk, which he usually does.
It's both a text and a performance
2012-03-16, 18:48
#kodm @sramsay "Do you want your xml document to end with 75 close
parentheses?)
2012-03-16, 18:47
Ramsay: XML and s-expressions are entirely isomorphic. To some extent the debate is
thus about syntax #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:46
S-expressions are another notation for describing tree structures #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:45
"Should the syntax of XML have been scrapped in favor of s-expressions?" @sramsay
trying to use debate on topic without restarting it #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:45
I *want* that Parental Advisory label. #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:44
@sramsay starting his talk "Where Semantics Lies" http://t.co/z7fvP4c4 #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:42
cc: @Ted_Underwood RT @trevormunoz: .@sramsay is next: "Where Semantics Lies"
http://t.co/ofIEU2n1 Sounds fascinating. #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:41
.@sramsay is next: "Where Semantics Lies" http://t.co/ofIEU2n1 Sounds fascinating.
#kodm
2012-03-16, 18:36
Some days there's just too much to process. @melissaterras's talk, #kodm, #ahcn
http://t.co/LjLoTfjZ Bluefin labs http://t.co/8lOwj1sx
2012-03-16, 18:34
Teich suggests plugging right tools together to create pipelines is part of what is
creative abt computational linguistic research #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:32
Teich: Multiplicity of models and corpora increases importance of compatibility
amongst them. #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:30
Teich questions whether an 'overarching' model for linguistics exists/is desirable.
Similarly, no ideal corpus possible/desirable #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:28
Based on Teich's auto-classification techniques, computational linguistics "closer"
to linguistics than CS, its two seed disciplines #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:22
E Teich: Another indicator - we [verb] #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:18
Teich: Pattern used for detection of evaluative statements - 'It is [adjective] to'
or 'It is [adjective] that'. #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:15
Teich studies contact disciplines like bioinformatics (biology + CS) to see how
similar/different they are to their seed disciplines #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:13
E Teich: Analysis of everything from structural to syntactic features of texts.
#kodm
2012-03-16, 18:11
Would be very interested in seeing Teich apply this to DH discourse. Or are there
too
many disciplines involved for it to work? #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:11
E Teich: investigating whether interdisciplinary emerging fields give rise to
registers distinct from foundational fields. #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:10
Teich looks at linguistic properties of "contact disciplines" ex. bioinformatics (CS
and Biology) How they compare to seed disciplines #kodm
2012-03-16, 18:04
Uniting focus of literary scholars, linguists is 'semiotic artifacts'. Distinction
between 'referent/thought' focus and 'symbol focus' #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:58
E Teich mentions the shock that accompanied the transition from rule-based to
statistically oriented models in linguistics ~15 yrs ago #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:57
Teich admits to being wary of using the term "data model" after these three days.
I
completely sympathize! #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:56
Elke Teich starting "Analyzing Linguistic Variation: From corpus query towards
feature discovery" http://t.co/6rdtHfTe #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:56
Outlines shift from a symbol/rule-based approach to computational linguistics to a
statistical approach. #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:54
Next: Elke Teich "Analyzing linguistic variation: From corpus query towards feature
discovery”—A linguist perspective #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:54
Elke Teich on “Analyzing linguistic variation: From corpus query towards
feature discovery” #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:51
.@gradmans asks: if we're interested in ambiguity & vagueness—natural
language is the best vehicle; why use anything else? #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:48
RT @jean_bauer: F. Jannidis "Influence is a bad metaphor…" Goethe "selected"
Rousseau as model of sensibility #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:44
@AllenRenear: we should make a distinction between metaphors and vague language.
Vagueness is precisely defined, though hard to model #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:35
Jannidis: should we distinguish between data models & intellectual models? Q
emerges thru a critique of influence in literary history. #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:27
Fotis Jannidis "Influence is a bad metaphor. Think about selection instead." Ex.
Goethe selected Rousseau as a model of sensibility #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:27
#kodm Jannidis: how to model influence - vague statements like "one work originates
in intellectual climate of a predecessor's reception"
2012-03-16, 17:25
Fotis Jannidis on how to model influence in literary history #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:24
Fotis Jannidis thinking through the ontology of literary history: patterns (present,
imposed, or absent) & basic units #kodm
2012-03-16, 17:24
#kodm Jannidis: similar phenomenon iiterary history exemplfiied by David
Wellbery.
2012-03-16, 17:22
#kodm Fotis Jannidis - starts on Digital Literary History by introducing two
challenges to writing of history (Lyotard, Hayden White)
2012-03-16, 17:20
Afternoon session at #kodm begins. Fotis Jannidis discussing "Digital literary
history and its discontent" http://t.co/V5AS15MG
2012-03-16, 17:11
RT @trevormunoz: "Data modeling for early modern emblems" http://t.co/yjeoZ5rF #kodm
/ Mara Wade will demo at FNI http://t.co/l1bpC3ti
2012-03-16, 16:09
RT @trevormunoz: The Person Data Repository: http://t.co/EqQSxGWk #kodm
2012-03-16, 16:01
Czmiel: The person object holds identifiers (can be from mult. schemes); the aspect
object holds info about the person taken from src #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:56
The Person Data Repository: http://t.co/EqQSxGWk #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:55
Three different types of objects in the person data repository: persons, aspects,
references. #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:53
fascinating questions raised by Thomas Stäcker's emblem presentation, concerning
how we identify 'identical' images #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:46
Alexander Czmiel discussing “The Person Data Repository”at "Knowledge
Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities" #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:46
browsing the beautiful emblems from Vaenius's Amoris divini emblemata (Love in Art)
(1615) #kodm http://t.co/36eovpzq
2012-03-16, 15:32
http://t.co/YI0poFcC Emblematica online Emblem book Digitization, German Emblem Book
Databases, the OpenEmblem Portal #kodm Thomas Stäcker
2012-03-16, 15:25
Follow “Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities”
workshop via #kodm http://t.co/PxEVr4Ru
2012-03-16, 15:23
RT @karikraus: .@knoxdw talking about modeling administrative changes over time,
drawing on the Atlas of Historical County Boundaries. #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:23
RT @trevormunoz: Thomas Stäcker describing "Data modeling for early modern
emblems" http://t.co/HvBChnuQ #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:18
Thomas Stäcker discussing modeling problems for early modern emblems: develop an
in-house schema or adopt a standard such as TEI? #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:11
Thomas Stäcker describing "Data modeling for early modern emblems"
http://t.co/HvBChnuQ #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:09
The boundaries of Native American territories are not formally represented in the
Atlas data, but at the same time very present in it #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:06
@thillzilla Sounds like it might be the fan for the video equipment itself (which
is
sitting a few feet in front of the camera) #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:04
Background noise got much better when camera panned ... #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:04
.@knoxdw Need ask not only what is the thing that changes but also what is the thing
that changes because of our modeling it. #kodm
2012-03-16, 15:03
High level of background noise on video stream. Air-conditioning? :-( #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:58
Talking abt modeling change—an important hard problem—in terms of the
two main streams here: pragmatic modeling & theoretic modeling #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:55
@knowdw #kodm "a census both creates the image and provides the mirror of that image
for a nation's self reflection" -Hochschild & Powell
2012-03-16, 14:51
@knoxdw Need to build time into our models, but also a way to assert continued
identity so that we can actually model *change* #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:51
.@knoxdw describing the challenge of reliably pointing to something that is changing
over time (like a county) #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:50
. @knoxdw is showing us why we need a robust model of state and identity
#kodm
2012-03-16, 14:49
@knoxdw Pros and cons of normalizing the dataset, lots of idiosyncrasies that might
be lost if they removed built in redundancies #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:47
@knoxdw research into county boundaries starts with text -- the laws that create the
counties as Performance Speech -- not maps. #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:47
@knoxdw Boundaries make a difference because identity makes a difference -- if we
are
invested in a county then its changes matter #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:46
.@knoxdw describing fascinating process used by those working on compiling Atlas to
translate from legislative speech acts to map data #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:46
@knoxdw We can't just pretend that the earlier (legislative mistakes) didn't exist.
We need a metamodel that handles those mistakes #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:46
Visualizing county boundary changes over time. ..appears that tracing paper is still
useful . @knoxdw #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:45
.@knoxdw talking about modeling administrative changes over time, drawing on the
Atlas of Historical County Boundaries. #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:42
.@knoxdw when talking about political boundaries like counties there is no thing
until legislators model it #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:41
@DougKnox research into county boundaries starts with text -- the laws that create
the counties as Performance Speech -- not maps. #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:40
.@knoxdw observing the complexities of modeling space and time given shifting
identities and boundaries of spatial units #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:38
@DougKnox Boundaries make a difference because identity makes a difference -- if we
are invested in a county then its changes matter #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:36
@dougknox starting his talk "What is the Thing that Changes" http://t.co/4Ew46rym
w/
the first question "How hard can it be?" :) #kodm
2012-03-16, 14:35
.@knoxdw next at #kodm "What is the Thing that Changes: Space & Time through the
Atlas of Historical County Boundaries" http://t.co/u5iHuuVP
2012-03-16, 13:55
The issue of discipline specificity with respect to data modeling has sparked
vigorous debate at #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:35
Susan Schreibman points out that there's an outreach component to what we're talking
abt: why shld humanists care about data modeling? #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:32
To finish the point from @swanstro: knowledge org. is sthing humanists do all the
time. Need help understanding practical applications #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:30
.@swanstro need specific tools/exercises for teaching data modeling. Reminds us
humanists are good at abstract category judgements #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:27
MT @karikraus: Agenda setting on the last day of #kodm: politics, definitions,
pedagogy, design, evaluation, competencies ...
2012-03-16, 13:24
How do the data generation and modeling activities outside the academic community
fit
w/ & drive humanities modeling #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:24
Agenda setting on the last day of #kodm: politics, definitions, pedagogy, design,
evaluation, competencies, & more related to data modeling.
2012-03-16, 13:21
Point about diachronic aspects of models links up with @julia_flanders talk yesterday
about looking for historiography of models #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:20
.@karikraus re-emphasizes the importance of attending to the diachronic dimensions
of
models—e.g. classification systems #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:17
More further work: Need for global identification tools (for entities); in context
of
RDF approaches #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:16
Now we are adding to the initial list: .@epierazzo raises tension between
customization & standardization & relation to tool building #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:11
… defining data modeling, competencies and pedagogy, achieving greater
precision for key terms (e.g. "text", "document", "model") #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:10
Fotis laying out topics which seem important for further work: mapping between
models, assessment & validation of models, … #kodm +
2012-03-16, 13:08
Livestream of the Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling Workshop
http://t.co/iWbh53BY #kodm
2012-03-16, 13:07
Final day of #kodm. @julia_flanders laying out updates to the agenda.
2012-03-16, 03:02
Added tweets from Day 2 of #kodm https://t.co/EZGkJP4o
2012-03-15, 21:51
RT @karikraus: The expressed need for contradictory markup has come up repeatedly
at
#kodm
2012-03-15, 21:46
RT @ttasovac: .@sramsay we are divided into those who see the world as nouns and
those who see it as verbs #kodm
2012-03-15, 21:45
RT @julia_flanders: Patrick Sahle, really interesting, challenging, and subtle talk
on transcription (hard to tweet about) #kodm
2012-03-15, 21:26
.@sramsay we are divided into those who see the world as nouns and those who see it
as verbs #kodm
2012-03-15, 21:12
RT @trevormunoz: Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that
Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm
2012-03-15, 21:12
RT @trevormunoz: McCarty on the problems of "context" http://t.co/F4enzpyO
#kodm
2012-03-15, 21:02
Patrick Sahle, really interesting, challenging, and subtle talk on transcription
(hard to tweet about) #kodm
2012-03-15, 20:59
objectivity and subjectivity in transcription discussed by Patrick Sahle
#kodm
2012-03-15, 20:52
Downloaded CATMA and started playing around with Ch. 1 of Autobiography of Ben
Franklin. Fun. #kodm
2012-03-15, 20:50
Patrick Sahle: the pluralistic text! Yay!! #kodm
2012-03-15, 20:49
@julia_flanders #kodm the mic just fixed. thanks
2012-03-15, 20:48
some issues with the podium mike may be affecting virtual audibility; people are
working on it #kodm
2012-03-15, 20:27
@ttasovac Agreed. There is no "text". There are only readings. #kodm
2012-03-15, 20:23
My picture just appeared in Chris Meister's slides. I immediately experienced the
unheimlich. #kodm
2012-03-15, 20:22
My bone to pick with text-range-based models: assumption that the "raw" text is
immaculate and immutable, perfectly transcribed. #kodm
2012-03-15, 20:21
Fascinating introduction to http://t.co/cfqnQB1y at #kodm livestream. Allows for
collaborative markup of texts. Cool.
2012-03-15, 20:21
Fascinating introduction to http://t.co/YUgd1N4A at #kodm livestream. Allows for
collaborative markup of texts. Cool.
2012-03-15, 20:19
Interesting discussion of stand-off markup (opposed to inline), allows for
overlapping and contradictory tags. Used in CATMA #kodm
2012-03-15, 20:17
The expressed need for contradictory markup has come up repeatedly at #kodm
2012-03-15, 20:09
Learning about CATMA: an integrated textual markup and analysis tool. #kodm
2012-03-15, 20:00
Love that the name tags from #kodm have a font big enough to read via Livestream.
Good going!
2012-03-15, 19:51
RT @knoxdw: .@julia_flanders imagining TEI ODD as a way of modeling something like
historiography, scholarly self-consciousness #kodm
2012-03-15, 19:50
.@julia_flanders imagining TEI ODD as a way of modeling something like
historiography, scholarly self-consciousness #kodm
2012-03-15, 19:48
Flanders: TEI ODD makes schemas more clearly contingent, within an ecology, workflow,
developmental process, or disciplinary community #kodm
2012-03-15, 19:46
.@julia_flanders: in TEI, schemas can appear (misleadingly) to have a kind of
timelessness, rather than place in a processing flow #kodm
2012-03-15, 19:45
#kodm @julia_flanders the schema is used to regulate process - allows you to check
for conformance/difference
2012-03-15, 19:38
@julia_flanders diagram for modeling a document: concentric circles of "document
itself""associated information""genre""social ecology"#kodm
2012-03-15, 19:35
@julia_flanders starting her talk "Modeling Collaboration" http://t.co/hkEGcIL7
#kodm
2012-03-15, 19:35
.@julia_flanders taking the podium to discuss "Modeling Collaboration"
http://t.co/IkvB9Ar2 #kodm
2012-03-15, 19:26
RT @trevormunoz: Next TEI Members' Meeting will be held at Texas A&M, November
7-11, 2012. #kodm
2012-03-15, 19:00
Hosted by @mandellc and @IDHMC_Nexus! MT @trevormunoz: Next TEI Members' Meeting will
be held at Texas A&M, November 7-11, 2012. #kodm
2012-03-15, 19:00
RT @trevormunoz: Next TEI Members' Meeting will be held at Texas A&M, November
7-11, 2012. #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:59
RT @knoxdw: Susan Schreibman teaches modeling implicitly by asking students for two
different representations, e.g. XML, PowerPoint #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:59
RT @trevormunoz: Next TEI Members' Meeting will be held at Texas A&M, November
7-11, 2012. #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:55
I wish undergrad DH would simply become the new Literae Humaniores #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:53
RT @jean_bauer: @AllanRenear "I am a very theoretical modeller now. I am doing
digital humanities just like Aristotle did." #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:51
#kodm Kings College London asking what product of undergraduate DH major would be?
professional (web designers?) or little researchers?
2012-03-15, 18:50
Realizing how lucky I am. First order logic in HS and "Organization of Knowledge"
with Herman Sinaiko and Wayne Booth in college. #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:47
RT @jean_bauer: @AllanRenear "I am a very theoretical modeller now. I am doing
digital humanities just like Aristotle did." #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:45
RT @jean_bauer: @AllanRenear "I am a very theoretical modeller now. I am doing
digital humanities just like Aristotle did." #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:44
@AllanRenear "I am a very theoretical modeller now. I am doing digital humanities
just like Aristotle did." #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:32
#kodm Laurent Romary teaches students to know enough about data models and technology
in order to "give orders to the computer scientists"
2012-03-15, 18:30
MT @sramsay: there's something to be said for "thinking inside a tool." #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:28
.@jean_bauer talks about teaching students how to infer models from using online
databases, becoming critical users #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:24
#kodm @julia_flanders asks what is the role for librarians in teaching data
modeling.
2012-03-15, 18:24
.@julia_flanders asks what the role might be for librarians/archivists in teaching
data modeling. #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:24
But then, there's something to be said for "thinking inside a tool." (says I)
#kodm
2012-03-15, 18:21
#kodm Renear doesn't teach dm, he teaches foundations of dm for ex. Logics, BNF.
students can learn sql in the workplace better
2012-03-15, 18:21
.@AllenRenear teaches a course called Foundations of Information Modeling: discreet
mathematics, relational algebra, & more #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:20
@AllanRenear is making me want to go back and study relational algebra again, well
I
already wanted to do that. #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:13
#kodm Photis Jannidis - students who don't have research questions can't model
effectively, because models exist from a perspective
2012-03-15, 18:12
@mandellc thanks for your #kodm tweets -- I can't watch the webcast right now so I'm
enjoying your summaries --
2012-03-15, 18:11
@swanstro enjoying your comments dig pedagogy at #kodm. for viz, you might also enjoy
yaddo data viz demo: http://t.co/ljXPF5m2
2012-03-15, 18:10
.@epierazzo observes constraints of teaching a lot of material in one course can be
productive. Have to teach ppl to teach themselves #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:08
Shld we teach to the tool or higher level concepts? @sramsay: pepper discussion of
particular technology with anecdotes about others #kodm
2012-03-15, 18:06
#kodm @sramsay Same problem in teaching programming: people learn the specific
language rather than the principles.
2012-03-15, 18:06
@jonippolito Yes - #kodm folks have multiple spelling of your name -- data ambiguity,
no?
2012-03-15, 18:02
#kodm Syd Bauman, why not just teach information management, photos eg, before
turning to data modeling of texts.
2012-03-15, 18:00
#kodm what are other aspects-indirection, abstraction-that need to be taught? Fotis
Jannidis
2012-03-15, 18:00
Susan Schreibman teaches modeling implicitly by asking students for two different
representations, e.g. XML, PowerPoint #kodm
2012-03-15, 17:59
@benwbrum @mandellc Yes, all the videos will be archived and available later.
#kodm
2012-03-15, 17:59
RT: @sramsay: I suspect Allen Renear teaches the kind of "one level up" modeling
Susan Schreibman is calling for. #kodm
2012-03-15, 17:58
#kodm YESSSS
2012-03-15, 17:57
@julia_flanders Could someone in room at #kodm check audio levels or move mic
closer?
2012-03-15, 17:57
#kodm Julia asks should these course be discipline-specific?
2012-03-15, 17:56
#kodm Susan Schreibman re the MA program at UVA (never put into curriculum) --
several courses on knowledge representation
2012-03-15, 17:56
#kodm so should teach knowledge representation.
2012-03-15, 17:54
#kodm still really hard to hear. im pretty sure the mic is not on
2012-03-15, 17:54
#kodm Susan Schreimban suggests that teaching data modeling as a general subject
would be useful. Not just via a technology like XML.
2012-03-15, 17:53
#kodm Data Modeling always implicit: no data-modeling course, just specific
modes/platforms for modeling (XML, etc.)
2012-03-15, 17:52
#kodm Susan Schreibman will re-tool her intro. courses to ask, "how do you model
something?" without telling students about "dm"
2012-03-15, 17:51
Mic please for livestream! Cannot hear Susan S! #kodm
2012-03-15, 17:50
#kodm cannot hear
2012-03-15, 17:50
#kodm guys please check if this microphone is on
2012-03-15, 17:48
Elisabeth Burr has a great idea about having students explicitly model their own
papers in XML. #datamodeling #pedagogy #kodm
2012-03-15, 17:42
@epierazzo one trick in teaching -- always have your students model sources they are
familiar with #kodm
2012-03-15, 17:40
@epierazzo talking about how discussing data modeling in her XML classes is when the
information "clicks" for her humanities students #kodm
2012-03-15, 17:40
#kodm oooops, i meant microphone
2012-03-15, 17:38
#kodm mike please
2012-03-15, 17:37
@karikraus and so glad you do! great to catch part of your talk yesterday here in
full springbreak mode! #kodm
2012-03-15, 17:37
Thanks to chatter by @fredsiegmund @mandellc & @benwbrum, tuning into #kodm Data
Modeling and Humanities Pedagogy panel
2012-03-15, 17:35
@mickimcgee I have a loud mouth for a small person. ;-) #kodm
2012-03-15, 17:35
First event of the afternoon: a panel on pedagogy and data modeling #kodm
2012-03-15, 17:32
@jonippolito: you are being heavily cited over at #kodm “@rwness: "fixity is
death" - John Ippolito."
2012-03-15, 16:53
@mandellc Just found out about the webcast -- will there be an archive of
@trevormunoz's #kodm talk?
2012-03-15, 16:40
That'd be "thanks to @julia_flanders"! #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:39
RT @trevormunoz: Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that
Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:39
RT @trevormunoz: McCarty on the problems of "context" http://t.co/F4enzpyO
#kodm
2012-03-15, 16:38
Love the #kodm livestream - http://t.co/07cwp7uM - thanks again to
@juliaflanders!
2012-03-15, 16:38
RT @trevormunoz: Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that
Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:37
RT @trevormunoz: McCarty on the problems of "context" http://t.co/F4enzpyO
#kodm
2012-03-15, 16:37
Talk by @trevormunoz at Brown Symposium #kodm changed my whole way of thinking about
documents. His "talk" was genuine discussion leading.
2012-03-15, 16:36
@rogerwhitson this would be awesome, but editorial work (as in scholarly editing)
is
typically marginalized in engl depts #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:36
Tuned in #kodm & heard @trevormunoz Q&A. Hope next Q&A will have Q's use
mic -- heard @karikraus loud and clear, others no so much!
2012-03-15, 16:36
Dropped in on the data modeling webcast @ Brown in time to catch Trevor's talk +
QA--*so* wish I were in Providence right now. #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:32
RT @mandellc: #kodm very smart comment by @karikraus. Coding is representational,
not
merely exegetical.
2012-03-15, 16:30
#kodm very smart comment by Kari Kraus. Coding is representational, not merely
exegetical.
2012-03-15, 16:29
We need to understand data modeling as a rhetorical act...as is editorial.
#kodm
2012-03-15, 16:22
RT @knoxdw: .@trevormunoz is directing us away from disembodied data models, points
to the social and programming context #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:21
#kodm faith that some visualizations, graphings, whatever, will come.
2012-03-15, 16:21
#kodm the way that data modeling opens up knew forms of scholarship isn't known yet,
that we have to do the modeling on the faith
2012-03-15, 16:18
MT @knoxdw: .@sramsay asks: why bother with data modeling in TEI if you just want
a
scholarly conversation about Frankenstein? #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:16
.@sramsay asks skeptically: why bother with data modeling in TEI if you just want
a
scholarly conversation about Frankenstein? #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:11
RT @brownwwp: Remember you can join "data modeling in the humanities" conference live
via http://t.co/TFZjVbVN and on twitter #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:11
Remember you can join "data modeling in the humanities" conference live via
http://t.co/Pa3EEO4q and on twitter #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:10
@julia_flanders documenting the data is one of the essential scholarly components
of
#digitalhumanities #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:10
.@trevormunoz The proof of the pudding is that it's delicious. Int. in projects that
have a broad audience. #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:10
#kodm @julia_flanders asks where the scholarship occurs in digital scholarship --
a
hugely important question with many possible answers...
2012-03-15, 16:04
RT @rogerwhitson: .@trevormunoz influential to put more data into the interface, so
scholars could argue against our assumptions. #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:02
.@WendellPiez: markup in a computing context is a rhetorical performance
#kodm
2012-03-15, 16:02
.@trevormunoz unchastened when Michael Sperberg McQueen begins by saying "You scare
me." #kodm [fantastic presentation by Trevor]
2012-03-15, 16:01
.@trevormunoz we've become too confident that we are archiving and saving by being
so
independent. #kodm
2012-03-15, 16:00
RT @rogerwhitson: .@trevormunoz is a great advocate for why TEI is important to teach
to humanist majors. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:59
.@trevormunoz is directing us away from disembodied data models, points to the social
and programming context #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:59
.@trevormunoz is a great advocate for why TEI is important to teach to humanist
majors. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:58
MT @knoxdw: Really glad @trevormunoz is so wisely pulling many threads together from
earlier conversation #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:56
Really glad @trevormunoz is so wisely pulling many threads together from earlier
conversation #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:55
@trevormunoz calling for "richer sense of what it means to document the data model"
includes the programs that run against the model. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:54
.@trevormunoz Working w/ TEI projects is good for coding customization. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:52
@trevormunoz speaks about the humanist approach to metadata #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:50
.@trevormunoz Encoding our interpretive assumptions into TEI, as a humanistic
approach to coding, instead of clean code. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:50
@trevormunoz pushing on earlier discussion of usefulness. Sometimes more interpretive
markup creates space for argument/discussion #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:49
.@trevormunoz influential to put more data into the interface, so scholars could
argue against our assumptions. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:49
.@trevormunoz usefulness as more people being able to use them. Scholars wanted
markup to engage in conversation w/ other scholars. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:48
@trevormunoz How do different data types sit next to each other.If you have images
of
a letter do you need a diplomatic transcription? #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:47
RT @swanstro: #kodm Trevor Munoz asks how we can go from this http://t.co/amezHWVn
to
this http://t.co/4zL7HnWj :D
2012-03-15, 15:45
Exactly! RT @lmrhody: Is [metaleptic markup] when one does metadata while on an
elliptical? #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:45
#kodm Trevor Munoz asks how we can go from this http://t.co/amezHWVn to this
http://t.co/4zL7HnWj :D
2012-03-15, 15:44
.@trevormunoz begins with quotation from @WendellPiez (2001) on metaleptic markup
http://t.co/LGsZzSw4 #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:44
@lmrhody There's a live feed! http://t.co/xmbHwNRJ #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:43
.@trevormunoz talking about the Shelley-Godwin archive and TEI. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:43
@karikraus Is this when one does metadata while on an elliptical? #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:42
@trevormunoz speaks now at #kodm watching, listening & tweeting from Geneva.
Great webcast!
2012-03-15, 15:42
@trevormunoz on metaleptic markup (from Wendell) #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:42
@trevormunoz going to be discussing how we find our data models, using example of
TEI
customization. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:42
RT @karikraus: .@trevormunoz up next on "discovering our models," responding to some
of the conversation here at #kodm / Wish I could hear!
2012-03-15, 15:42
Whoa--metaleptic markup. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:41
@jean_bauer Cool! He does tons of cool stuff. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:41
.@trevormunoz up next on "discovering our models," responding to some of the
conversation here at #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:40
@trevormunoz starting his talk "Discovering our Models" #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:38
Coexistence of RDF and TEI, how do they work together? Interesting problem.
#kodm
2012-03-15, 15:36
.gradmans says RDF has built-in limitations, may be stuck with simple denotation,
not
good with ambiguity #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:35
@gradmans suggests extension of RDF statements to cover relationships of interest
to
textual scholars (eg, scribe A copied scribed B) #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:27
RT @trevormunoz: Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that
Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:26
RT @trevormunoz: Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that
Willard McCarty has previously discussed for XML markup #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:25
McCarty on the problems of "context" http://t.co/F4enzpyO #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:25
.@gradmans on RDF modeling: Where do resource aggregations start? Where do the end?
And what constitutes document boundaries? #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:24
Modeling context in RDF—runs into the same problems that Willard McCarty has
previously discussed for XML markup #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:24
.@gradmans sees new questions in RDF: versioning, how to know what a node was linked
to at a given time? #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:23
.@gradmans notes that modeling object representations in RDF raises questions like:
where are the boundaries of resources #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:22
RT @jean_bauer: SNAC prototype has really clean design. Going to play with this
later. http://t.co/9xlK72it #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:21
@jean_bauer #kodm It's working in Texas. sorry for tweeting twice
2012-03-15, 15:20
#kodm Jean, I'm seeing it -- Laura Mandell
2012-03-15, 15:17
Are people still able to see the #kodm live feed? Heard from at least one person that
it isn't working.
2012-03-15, 15:16
The classes in the EDM model are deliberately simple (event, agent, place, physical
thing, etc.) Meant to be top-level. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:15
Gradmann: EDM (Europeana Data Model) an RDF-based model for making statements abt
digital representations of cultural heritage objects #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:14
RT @sleonchnm: SNAC is awesome. RT @jean_bauer: Link for SNAC project
http://t.co/ifwJD5cy #kodm -- really cool stuff! #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:14
.@gradmans EDM can model "potentially conflicting" statements about digital
representations of cultural heritage objects #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:14
.@gradmans: EDM is not an object model (like TEI) or a record model (like many
metadata systems) #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:13
Europeana Data Model (EDM) is "a model for making statements about digital
representations of cultural heritage objects" @gradmans #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:11
Stephan Gradmann now talking about the Europeana Data Model, abstract here
http://t.co/qwoH6vsR #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:10
Social network graph of Vannevar Bush #snac #kodm cc @jilltxt @digiwonk
http://t.co/tSom2J8y
2012-03-15, 15:09
Next at #kodm @gradmans will be speaking about the Europeana Data Model and what it
might be possible to do with it
2012-03-15, 15:02
Pitti on name authority "Keeping two names separate when you are in doubt is better
than conflating them, which obscures information." #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:02
.@digiwonk @jilltxt Go to http://t.co/T5yX0fqf and click on "radial graph demo" in
upper right corner; I'll also post a pic. #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:01
SNAC is awesome. RT @jean_bauer: Link for SNAC project http://t.co/ifwJD5cy #kodm
--
really cool stuff! #kodm
2012-03-15, 15:01
#kodm So happy to be at this amazing symposium/workshop this week in Providence:
http://t.co/tVixRIa6 Amazing and inspiring projects...
2012-03-15, 15:00
.@schichmax asks a good question about the "long tail" of people in archival records,
with little info and one or two connections #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:59
#kodm super cool project out of UVA called S.N.A.C. (Social Networks and Archival
Contexts). Here's the prototype. http://t.co/N2axCFGM
2012-03-15, 14:56
Love this social network graph for Vannavar Bush that Daniel Pitti ends his
presentation with. #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:56
Pitti: There are two degrees of separation from J. Robert Oppenheimer to Groucho
Marx, through T. S. Eliot. #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:53
The SNAC prototype is at http://t.co/p0Qz7Qtz #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:47
Pitti: EAD often records intellectual/conceptual links between individuals ex. 20th
C. collector of Dante's works #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:43
Pitti: Creating EAC-CPF records (http://t.co/wVBeWmvr) from EAD then comparing
descriptions and trying to match & merge #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:43
Link for SNAC project http://t.co/N1kt8apb #kodm -- really cool stuff! #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:42
Pitti: SNAC extracts information on people from EAD, supplements with authority
records, builds contextual information around people #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:42
SNAC: provide integrative, unified access to archival resources. Data: authority
records and 30,000 EAD-encoded finding aids #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:41
The SNAC project is trying to separate out the embedded descriptions of people within
existing archival descriptions #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:38
Up next: SNAC: The social networks and archival contexts project, presented by Dan
Pitti #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:37
Daniel Pitti starting his talk "SNAC: The Social Networks and Archival Context"
original abstract http://t.co/59MqdoM0 #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:08
If we encode cultural agreements, we can do more. XML separate form and content to
make it more shareable. #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:07
Notion that temperature measurements are pre-theoretical doesn't hold up to Kuhn,
let
alone other Phil of Science. #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:04
If it's all theory, what can I do? Degree matters in a practical and social sense.
Can we agree group of assumptions? #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:03
The less people put into a text, the more people can use it. Can't use interpretation
as a club. #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:01
RT @NEH_ODH: Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the Humanities /
@datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/TFZjVbVN
2012-03-15, 14:01
Syd Bauman raises the interesting issue of order as complement to units in data
modeling [one example: respect des fonds in archives?] #kodm
2012-03-15, 14:01
And we just hit E.F. Codd #kodm (and it wasn't me)
2012-03-15, 14:00
Use the term data model as an attempt to make our assumptions explicit. Implicit
assumptions also models. Unconscious models. #kodm
2012-03-15, 13:58
Coming into the middle of a data modeling conversation can be confusing.
#kodm
2012-03-15, 13:56
Models adhere in practices and procedures. ~@julia_flanders #kodm
2012-03-15, 13:51
"The simpler I keep the model and the stupider the algorithm, the better the results"
~Syd Bauman paraphrases a CS researcher. #kodm
2012-03-15, 13:48
We are totally working over the concept of the "raw" at #kodm in the context of a
discussion of modeling primitives. Good stuff.
2012-03-15, 13:45
It is interesting to watch participants edge up to abstractions (potentially
modelable objects?) and then shy away almost immediately. #kodm
2012-03-15, 13:43
@karikraus "How do we carve artifacts and constructs at the joints to create those
discreet units [of study/modeling]?" #kodm
2012-03-15, 13:38
Same goes for live stream, #kodm.
2012-03-15, 13:35
Communities with basic agreement on data units? None. Is there agreement about that
characterization? No. #kodm
2012-03-15, 13:22
@knoxdw Bringing up the politics of workflow, especially when scholars do their own
modeling 'in the wild' and then it rots in attics #kodm
2012-03-15, 13:19
FotisJannidis"When we talk about raw data we are talking about the social
construction of the basic units of our information(ex. book)"#kodm
2012-03-15, 13:19
Opening discussion: something like a supposedly "raw" digitization of a page of a
book already a model, already a social construction. #kodm
2012-03-15, 13:16
MT @trevormunoz Day 2 of Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling Wkshp kicks off
with some discussion. Livestream: http://t.co/QcF6LHOn #kodm
2012-03-15, 13:08
.@julia_flanders framing opening discussion: pragmatically driven modeling vs.
exploratory; generalizable data vs. personal data. #kodm
2012-03-15, 13:03
Day Two of the Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling Workshop will kick off with
some discussion. Livestream: http://t.co/iWbh53BY #kodm
2012-03-15, 09:47
RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the
Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6
2012-03-15, 08:46
RT @ttasovac: Gregor Middell demos a tool that automatically collates XML documents.
Graph-based architecture. #kodm http://t.co/gvPW3n4c
2012-03-15, 08:45
RT @gradmans: #kodm: Allen Renear on 'Oratio Obliqua' in the EDM. Much fun!
2012-03-15, 02:32
I've tossed up Day 1 tweets from the Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the
Humanities Workshop here: https://t.co/EZGkJP4o #kodm
2012-03-15, 02:08
@LibSkrat @julia_flanders using similarity to avoid abstraction is traditional and
easier to understand,but causation more interesting.#kodm
2012-03-15, 02:06
@LibSkrat @julia_flanders my version of Svenonius set-based approach, subs similarity
for causal history; &aligns hersets to FRBR sets #kodm
2012-03-15, 01:59
@LibSkrat @julia_flanders Ch3: "Bibliographic Entities" in _Intellectual Foundations
of Information Organization_ (MIT 2000). #kodm
2012-03-14, 22:38
@LibSkrat yes, I can get it (it was a chapter reference in the Svenonius book that
everyone cites, I think) @allenrenear can supply #kodm
2012-03-14, 22:35
RT @aurelberra: To follow: @trevormunoz & #kodm | The Knowledge Organization and
Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop http://t.co/mmalpd9M
2012-03-14, 22:13
@julia_flanders is there documentation on the Svenonius alternative to FRBR?
#kodm
2012-03-14, 22:02
RT @jean_bauer: @karikraus "However weak a signal we send down the conductor of
history now, it can be amplified later on." #kodm preserve what you can now!
2012-03-14, 21:32
RT@jean_bauer: Next up, Gregor Middell "On the Value of Comparing Truly Re-Markable
Texts" http://t.co/wHFkuNOk #kodm
2012-03-14, 21:31
RT@ttasovac: Gregor Middell demos a tool that automatically collates XML documents.
Graph-based architecture. #kodm http://t.co/7ea0bNjW
2012-03-14, 21:13
Excellent point: it's not enough just to be able to markup multiple hierarchies, you
need validation, autocompletion etc. #kodm
2012-03-14, 21:09
RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the
Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6
2012-03-14, 20:59
#kodm Gregor Middell last point-modeling texts like modeling in other domains, Must
be aware of conceptual as well as computational aspects
2012-03-14, 20:57
Gregor Middell demos a tool that automatically collates XML documents. Graph-based
architecture. #kodm http://t.co/gvPW3n4c
2012-03-14, 20:54
#kodm Gregor Middell using graph database for collation. store relations and use
color to identify different hierarchies
2012-03-14, 20:52
RT @jean_bauer: @karikraus "However weak a signal we send down the conductor of
history now, it can be amplified later on." #kodm preserve what you can now!
2012-03-14, 20:46
RT @trevormunoz: .@karikraus suggests that humanists tend to resist the reductionism
involved (implicit?) in data modeling #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:44
RT @elli_m: #kodm preservation of presence. Ippolito has questionnaire for new media
artists-what features are important? http://t.co/E5KojhCs
2012-03-14, 20:44
cannot resist observing that Gregor Middell has beautiful slides! #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:43
Gregor Middell talking about genetic edition of Goethe's Faust , and need for
encoding distinct parallel perspectives #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:40
Next up, Gregor Middell "On the Value of Comparing Truly Re-Markable Texts"
http://t.co/waW6lCsf #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:39
Jim Kuhn suggested "zip and hold" as more effective dig. preservation method than
not
preserving because intimidated by OAIS #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:39
Great watching #kodm on iPad from comfort of home on #springbreak. Thx
@julia_flanders & frnds! Q&A for @karikraus is fascinating.
2012-03-14, 20:36
RT @jean_bauer: @karikraus "However weak a signal we send down the conductor of
history now, it can be amplified later on." #kodm preserve what you can now!
2012-03-14, 20:35
@karikraus "However weak a signal we send down the conductor of history now, it can
be amplified later on." #kodm preserve what you can now!
2012-03-14, 20:33
RT @sgillies: I'd love to be sitting in on #kodm http://t.co/IDBXMI54
2012-03-14, 20:32
Folger's Jim Kuhn asks if OAIS isn't an impossibly difficult conceptual model , "an
impediment to getting required work done" ? #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:32
Oais preserves contextual info to allow user to understand the work. articles about
the games. surrogate documentation. @karikraus #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:31
@knoxdw @julia_flanders i'd say julia has psychic interpretative abilities. but i
think we suspected that all along :) #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:29
#kodm preservation of presence. Ippolito has questionnaire for new media artists-what
features are important? http://t.co/E5KojhCs
2012-03-14, 20:27
how to capture and preserve the ephemeral? what are the features we are willing to
sacrifice? #kodm @karikraus
2012-03-14, 20:24
no duplicates in OAIS model . dup is not considered a variant but as it's own unique
object. relationship is preserved #kodm #karikraus
2012-03-14, 20:18
#kodm @karikraus concludes by discussing trust as tool for archiving. relates to
authenticity - and may get around lack of fixity
2012-03-14, 20:15
looking at a family tree of a digital game. Virtual world ancestry ? #kodm
@karikraus
2012-03-14, 20:13
@knoxdw yes.. that's what preservation + access is about. but we need to be aware
of
the lost historicity, the lost "original" moment #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:13
#kodm Jeremy John (British Library) 2010 white paper on personal digital
archiving
2012-03-14, 20:11
Representation Information (what you need to make your bitstream interpretable) can
easily turn into an infinite regress #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:09
@ttasovac That's a great question. But what about replaying a game through
emulation/migration? Or any kind of ritual practice? #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:08
"fixity is death" - John Ippolito. #kodm @karikraus ....and "the straight line leads
straight to hell "-Friendensreich Hundertwasser
2012-03-14, 20:08
#kodm @karikraus introducing OAIS an abstract model for preservation.
2012-03-14, 20:04
.@karikraus interesting contrast btw archival and gamer ideas about authenticity:
fixity (for trust) vs. evolvability (for survival) #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:04
You can't model immediacy & presence. Or can you? #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:04
An analogous problem: preserving performance art - something Marina Abramovic is into
these days (in addition to sitting on chairs). #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:03
"Post-custodial model of game preservation" -- that's the key I think & the main
challenge #kodm
2012-03-14, 20:01
#kodm @karikraus There are also models that make the unseen visible. network flow,
bandwidth usage
2012-03-14, 19:59
.@karikraus: problem of the relation of underlying code and expression in platform;
similar to genotypic/phenotypic layers in genome #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:57
@karikraus Preserving the game is about so much more than saving the source code,
also we don't usually don't have the source code. #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:57
migration, emulation, re-enactment - strategies in preserving digital games
@karikraus #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:54
@karikraus on fascinating interplay between preservation of games and pirating. Use
a
lot of the same technology: emulators, etc. #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:52
.@karikraus preservation activities often take advantage of gamer or pirate tools
(e.g. for grabbing/archiving game components) #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:50
RT @trevormunoz: Afternoon session at #kodm underway. 1st presentation by Paul Caton
of @kingsdh http://t.co/toQHrWuV
2012-03-14, 19:50
The proof is clearly in the non-textual pudding after all. #kodm
http://t.co/EkyPxOZk
2012-03-14, 19:49
.@karikraus talking about obstacles to preservation of virtual worlds: hardware &
software dependencies, obsolescence , IP law #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:49
.@karikraus : In preserving computer games it's hard to identify boundary of objects
being preserved. Lots of software dependencies #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:48
@karikraus Starting talk on "Perserving Digital Worlds" http://t.co/pb11h4BX
preserving digital games and interactive fiction. #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:41
stay tuned for "preserving virtual worlds...because a thing of beauty now is a joy
forever'" @karikraus #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:32
the range of interests researchers will have in the future. So I would just put in
a
word for minimalism as a default strategy. #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:31
I know some ontology is inevitable. But I don't believe we can design one that
encompasses the variable past, or anticipates #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:17
thomas stäcker: FRBR works, and it's wrong: what does this mean for data
modeling? #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:15
…there's a lot of richness here that I'd like us to get even more eyes and
brains on. Stay tuned (April?) for the postworkshop archive #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:14
as I try taking notes, tweeting key points, reflecting on these presentations, I
think it's good that we're posting these materials... #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:12
Chris Meister challenges Renear on intentionality: the problem seems to be time &
identity, not intentionality #kodm // I tend to agree
2012-03-14, 19:11
#kodm: Allen Renear on 'Oratio Obliqua' in the EDM. Much fun!
2012-03-14, 19:10
@AllanRenear the problem isn't technological. The problem is that we have not worked
out the semantics for we want to express. #kodm
2012-03-14, 19:05
The emerging #kodm productive problem seems to be metamodeling (as opposed to fixing
existing best practices, for example)
2012-03-14, 19:00
.@AllenRenear's refactored FRBR model replaces "work" entity type with "stories"
#kodm
2012-03-14, 18:57
Renear: We do not have a robust account of identity and change in the digital world
#kodm
2012-03-14, 18:56
Renear's challenge: adapt methods based on first-order logic to problems that go
beyond logic #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:54
…and that's what's distinctive about humanities data modeling #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:54
@allenerenear when we model humanities data, we're modeling entities that only exist
in virtue of intentionality-laden social activity #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:53
@allanrenear What is distinctive about data modeling the humanities? INTENTIONALITY.
The things we model would not exist otherwise #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:53
Renear: what is distinctive about the humanities: things we model exist because of
intentionality, grounded in social context #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:52
Renear refactors FRBR to change entities to roles: story realized through symbol
structure, embodied in another symbol structure... #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:43
@allanrenear How do you model reporting on someone else's assertion without asserting
it yourself? Adding another tuple doesn't do it #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:41
.@AllenRenear profusely proclaims his love for all models :-) #kodm; love what his
background in analytical philosophy brings to discussion.
2012-03-14, 18:39
Renear: how can a byte stream have a modification date without being a different
stream? #kodm #heraclitus?
2012-03-14, 18:38
great tweets coming from Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities
#kodm today. http://t.co/VSjaFZ7p
2012-03-14, 18:38
RT @trevormunoz: Next at #kodm @AllenRenear "Taking Modeling Seriously"
http://t.co/lJCB99lp
2012-03-14, 18:38
RT @trevormunoz: Next at #kodm @AllenRenear "Taking Modeling Seriously"
http://t.co/EDybwIFM
2012-03-14, 18:37
.@AllenRenear is fascinated by obscure alternative models to FRBR; looking at them
helps us see other ways of modeling the world. #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:37
I'd love to be sitting in on #kodm http://t.co/IDBXMI54
2012-03-14, 18:37
does FRBR let us say that some manifestations are arguably manifestations of more
than one work? seems like Svenonius alternative does #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:34
Elaine Svenonius offers an alternative to FRBR, grounded in concrete docs rather than
abstractions first http://t.co/5n4DEOik #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:31
@AllanRenear points out that FRBR doesn't actually model inheritance, although people
talk about it as if it did. #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:31
.@AllenRenear: There is no inheritance in FRBR despite what the authors of the model
say. #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:30
.@allenrenear sees FRBR problem: where is inheritance if attributes are disjoint?
(only work has subject, manifestation has typeface) #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:29
Fascinating: @AllenRenear argues that FRBR model (work, expression, manifestation,
item) eliminates the ordinary book from our world. #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:26
@anarchivist it'll be available on the web afterwards as well… I hope many
will be going back over it as well #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:26
@anarchivist 2 more days to catch the fever, though. #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:23
Kind of bummed that I didn't know about #kodm sooner and that I'm toiling away in
the
XSL:FO mines this afternoon.
2012-03-14, 18:22
.@AllenRenear taking up inheritance in FRBR (Functional Requirements for
Bibliographic Records). #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:21
And of course all my earlier tweets referred to Paul Caton. Must still be stuck in
18th Century Political Theory . . . Sorry! #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:18
RT @ttasovac: In fact, all texts are psychotic - secondary to experience, they
necessarily involve a loss of contact with reality. #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:17
@allenrenear about to start talk "Taking Modeling Seriously" #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:17
Next at #kodm @AllenRenear "Taking Modeling Seriously" http://t.co/2szCRAuH
2012-03-14, 18:16
In fact, all texts are psychotic - secondary to experience, they necessarily involve
a loss of contact with reality. #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:14
question, though, of how to apply data mining in cases where the creation of the data
itself is at issue (it seems to me) #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:14
elke teich suggests a bottom-up solution to paulcaton's ontological problem? use data
mining to look at phenomena, then derive profile #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:08
RT @julia_flanders: paul caton: It's hard to do "just a little" data modeling
#kodm
2012-03-14, 18:07
RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the
Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6
2012-03-14, 18:04
Caton: Fundamental ontology is like weird Dr Who ep. — everything is white
& voice asks "Why is there something rather than nothing" #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:03
Paul Canton on thee possible answers to this problem: Scientific Ontology, Set
Theory, and Wittgenstein. #kodm
2012-03-14, 18:01
RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the
Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6
2012-03-14, 18:00
RT @epierazzo: DH builds Digital Surrogates of ancient docs. Perhaps better: models
of ancients docs! #kodm
2012-03-14, 17:56
Paul Canton talking about Digipal http://t.co/eKmNR9Gu and issues of modeling
medieval handwriting. #kodm
2012-03-14, 17:55
paul caton: It's hard to do "just a little" data modeling #kodm
2012-03-14, 17:54
Caton: "It's hard to do 'a little' data modeling." Discussing his trouble w/modelling
"events" for Cambridge ed. of Jonson #kodm
2012-03-14, 17:54
Paul Canton reflecting on the question "What is an event?" End result: "It is hard
to
do a little data modeling." #kodm
2012-03-14, 17:46
@Ted_Underwood yes, video will be archived and available (plus slides, etc.)
#kodm
2012-03-14, 17:45
This may come out in the case studies, to some extent MT @sgillies: No, don't explain
how [hum. data is different]. Show me how ;) #kodm
2012-03-14, 17:43
Caton in paper from DH2010: Text tends to be a floating signifier in DH. Pulled down
& slapped on things. Needs ontological work #kodm
2012-03-14, 17:41
Afternoon session at #kodm underway. 1st presentation by Paul Caton of @kingsdh
http://t.co/toQHrWuV
2012-03-14, 17:37
@Ted_Underwood @sramsay spoke as one member of a panel, and he'll give a talk Friday
afternoon http://t.co/lMpNjEOh #kodm
2012-03-14, 17:35
Twitter handles now on People page for #kodm http://t.co/CNlSfsAF
2012-03-14, 17:19
P*ssed that I had to teach during @sramsay 's talk. Trust this will all be archived
somewhere, though. #kodm
2012-03-14, 17:16
RT @nealstimler: MT @trevormunoz Maximilian Schich: humanities data modeling always
has to deal with a multiplicity of opinion #kodm Cc: @donundeen
2012-03-14, 17:15
MT @trevormunoz Maximilian Schich: humanities data modeling always has to deal with
a
multiplicity of opinion #kodm Cc: @donundeen
2012-03-14, 16:49
RT @elli_m: #kodm introducing data models in the humanities leads to new and
interesting collaborations with other disciplines: bio, physics @schichmax
2012-03-14, 16:49
RT @elli_m: RT @sgillies: I hear people say humanities data is different. Is it? Show
how it is different. #kodm @datasymposium
2012-03-14, 16:45
RT @ttasovac: Let's not turn Digital Humanities into Digital Post-Humanities.
#kodm
2012-03-14, 16:30
Unable to follow either #kodm or #NERCOMP12 as much as I'd like to. Tasks
intervene.
2012-03-14, 16:28
@gradmans sehr hilfreich fuer mich!#kodm #notallxml
2012-03-14, 16:27
RT @gradmans: Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities - is it all
just XML? More at #kodm and at the livestream at http://t.co/a2yfeg95
2012-03-14, 16:27
Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities - is it all just XML? More
at #kodm and at the livestream at http://t.co/a2yfeg95
2012-03-14, 16:23
RT @mandellc: watching live web feed from #kodm at Brown: the discussion is AMAZING.
Tune in: http://t.co/RMj8I1Fo
2012-03-14, 16:22
MT @sgillies: No, don't explain how [humanities data is different]. Show me how ;)
#kodm
2012-03-14, 16:22
For @sramsay, the issue is that XML's data definition language and data manipulation
language are too separate #kodm
2012-03-14, 16:21
RT @mandellc: watching live web feed from #kodm at Brown: the discussion is AMAZING.
Tune in: http://t.co/RMj8I1Fo
2012-03-14, 16:18
#kodm @hcayless @sgillies @paleofuturist the existence of Pleiades may be an example
of the difference.
2012-03-14, 16:17
.@sramsay notes that XML ecosystem doesn't look like a lot of the other data modeling
systems out there: SQL, GIS, Image processing #kodm
2012-03-14, 16:16
@sramsay "I hope that we are not just here to talk about XML. I hope that we will
talk about GIS, databases, R, and other things." #kodm
2012-03-14, 16:14
And now we get the "What about modeling non-textual data"? #kodm
2012-03-14, 16:08
watching live web feed from #kodm at Brown: the discussion is AMAZING. Tune in:
http://t.co/RMj8I1Fo
2012-03-14, 16:00
@ttasovac That wasn't what I got from that at all - relating DH to existing sciences
doesn't mean you can predict outputs #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:59
@sramsay reminding us that "Traditional Humanities" (based on interpretation) is
actually the new humanities. Data modeling is older. #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:58
.@sramsay points out that the sciences came from the humanities, and the humanities
looked like data modeling for centuries #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:52
.@julia_flanders observing that our discussion has implicitly been about the identity
politics of separating the humanities #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:48
Let's not turn Digital Humanities into Digital Post-Humanities. #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:47
Fotis: what distinguishes DH handling of data and the natural sciences is how DHers
construct the relationship btw data and phenomena #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:47
Statistics & experimental design is important, but being able to predict
humanities outputs will spell the end of the humanities #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:41
#kodm @andyashton humanities data created for the scholar's interaction, results data
that is hard to use.
2012-03-14, 15:41
.@andyashton urging group to think about functional qualities of data. In many ways,
humanities not functional in networked systems #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:41
#kodm we use data to explore the meaning behind the humanities data Jannidis.
2012-03-14, 15:39
#kodm Twitter handle list up on the web at http://t.co/LiBTeUGg Just a hack until
someone can approve my comment on the wordpress page
2012-03-14, 15:36
@hcayless @sgillies Christoph Meister is adding a point about the 'historicity' of
humanities data #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:36
RT @sgillies: I hear people say humanities data is different. Is it? Show how it is
different. #kodm @datasymposium
2012-03-14, 15:35
.@sgillies Jan Christoph Meister is saying humanities data always refers back to us
indexically as the receiving subject #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:34
@sgillies that said, I think there's less difference than a lot of people would like
to imagine #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:33
@sgillies There's less of it, it's vague, heterogenous, and it can be hard to
distinguish data from opinion. #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:29
@sramsay reductionism is a meaningless term...we cannot avoid selection/choice/limits
#kodm
2012-03-14, 15:29
.@sramsay we can't avoid selection, we can't avoid constraints: but are this
surrogate useful for advancing scholarship? #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:28
.@sramsay Cannot avoid constraint. Interesting question is whether our reductions,
our distortions (our data models) are interesting #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:27
#kodm @andyashton what about networks and relationships as data
2012-03-14, 15:26
@andyashton we need to explore networks and relationships as data #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:22
RT @trevormunoz: .@WendellPiez quoting @louBurnard from years ago : 'They don't
understand. Text is not data. Data is all text' #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:21
#kodm Meister: How do data/phenomena/models differ? Humanists valorize
interpretation, scientists know it and work with it.
2012-03-14, 15:21
hmmm...is data a type of text? #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:20
.@WendellPiez quoting @louBurnard from years ago : 'They don't understand. Text is
not data. Data is all text' #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:17
#kodm introducing data models in the humanities leads to new and interesting
collaborations with other disciplines: bio, physics @schichmax
2012-03-14, 15:12
#kodm Just posted twitter handles for participants as a comment on the people page.
Please add to the list! http://t.co/Xd81upEV
2012-03-14, 15:11
Maximilian Schich: humanities data modeling always has to deal with a multiplicity
of
opinion (not present in say, tax records) #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:10
DH builds Digital Surrogates of ancient docs. Perhaps better: models of ancients
docs! #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:10
.@karikraus suggests that humanists tend to resist the reductionism involved
(implicit?) in data modeling #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:09
#kodm Q. surrogates are reductive. Humanists rebel.
2012-03-14, 15:09
Laurent: "data modeling as a tension between standardization and scholarly freedom"
#kodm
2012-03-14, 15:08
Desmond: digital documents embed the technology they have been built in. Surely this
is true also for Manuscripts and books? #kodm
2012-03-14, 15:04
Getting underway again at #kodm with a panel discussion aimed at setting an agenda
of
questions to tackle for the next few days
2012-03-14, 14:59
RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the
Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6
2012-03-14, 14:59
livestream from the coffebreak is most interesting. http://t.co/QdeH0NFJ
#kodm
2012-03-14, 14:41
RT @aurelberra: To follow: @trevormunoz & #kodm | The Knowledge Organization and
Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop http://t.co/mmalpd9M
2012-03-14, 14:32
@jean_bauer @trevormunoz that helps explain Piez's wish for comp. sci. help:
speculating about programming primitives for range data? #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:31
To follow: @trevormunoz & #kodm | The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in
the Humanities Workshop http://t.co/mmalpd9M
2012-03-14, 14:31
@WendellPiez "the design of the interface is a separate question, and it isn't" #kodm
Agree!We often model things based on how we 'see' them
2012-03-14, 14:28
.@sramsay The issue seems to be about how much you want to model "at a single glance"
#kodm
2012-03-14, 14:28
@sramsay The problem of overlapping hierarchies is written all the way down the
computational stack. #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:27
.@sramsay notes overlapping hierarchy may not be central problem but it's stubborn
because extends far "down the computational stack" #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:24
comment by Fotis Jannidis suggests 3 levels: text instances, schemas (classes of
instances), meta-meta-models (XML, etc.) #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:21
watching @datasymposium at http://t.co/qmX0nBz3 #kodm #thiscountsaswork
2012-03-14, 14:16
RT @karikraus: Love this: @wendellpiez quotes @trevormunoz on markup: "Every TEI
project is a TEI customization project" #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:12
.@WendellPiez Schema can act as a codification of the heuristic process. An output
that describes what you've discovered about data #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:12
#kodm attendee suggests 2 kinds of data models: representational modeling &
heuristic modeling (acquiring knowledge abt that which we model)
2012-03-14, 14:10
Question on difference between Representational Modeling and Heuristic Modeling.
Schemas may be more important in the 1st than 2nd #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:10
Question comes back around: Are we modeling using data (this seems to be all modeling
thus nonsensical) or are we modeling data? #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:07
In discussion, Piez talks more about the aesthetics of design (e.g. why LMNL
annotations can be recursive documents) #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:06
RT @epierazzo: Schema re more than validation and configuration: they are data
modelling tools! #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:04
RT @NEH_ODH: Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the
Humanities / @datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6
2012-03-14, 14:04
Follow Brown's Knowledge Organization & Data Modeling in the Humanities /
@datasymposium #kodm / LiveStream: http://t.co/iXTPAmA6
2012-03-14, 14:02
Hands dirty? I sure do. Fishing through rotting book spines and whiffing in moldy
varnish can be some grubby work. #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:02
RT @trevormunoz: .@WendellPiez "We work with models of our models" #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:02
.@WendellPiez "We work with models of our models" #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:02
More info on LMNL, the experimental markup language discussed by @wendellpiez:
http://t.co/Brm5bh1t #kodm
2012-03-14, 14:01
.@julia_flanders asks whether all the stages in the pipeline shown are all different
stages of same model or are they different models #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:56
#kodm "Scholars work with people who get their hands dirty, get their own hands dirty
in the process. seems to be part of analysis/modeling"
2012-03-14, 13:56
RT @trevormunoz: Any questions/comments from the virtual audience? Tweet at #kodm
or
email to datasymposium@gmail.com
2012-03-14, 13:56
Any questions/comments from the virtual audience? Tweet at #kodm or email to
datasymposium@gmail.com
2012-03-14, 13:55
@knoxdw Yes, raises interesting (sometimes troubling) questions on who builds these
systems, and how they relate to the final product. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:55
.@WendellPiez asks: "Do scholars get their hands dirty?" (With image of printer's
shop on the screen). No one right answer of course #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:53
PIez's question "Do scholars get their hands dirty?" seems to go back to early
questions about what end users don't see #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:53
Watching @datasymposium in live streaming today http://t.co/fdaiIBMC #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:52
Love this: @wendellpiez quotes @trevormunoz on markup: "Every TEI project is a TEI
customization project" #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:52
In the humanities, systems won't only be focused on end-product (producing text in
multi. formats) but on describing obj under study #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:51
Piez quotes @trevormunoz: "Every TEI project is a TEI customization project"
#kodm
2012-03-14, 13:49
Schema re more than validation and configuration: they are data modelling tools!
#kodm
2012-03-14, 13:49
Piez speculates about what could be done with schemas for range models; sees room
to
build on XML as a platform #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:46
.@WendellPiez would welcome help from computer scientists in developing ways of
working with range models like LMNL #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:42
Really feeling the constraints of 140 characters this morning #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:41
@WendellPiez work with LMNL forcing him out of the XML space to find new
possibilities and then returning with those new possibilities #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:41
Piez: Technology-level data model (LMNL) allows building new higher-level data model
of texts, exposing e.g. narrative structure #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:39
.@WendellPiez the alternate data model of LMNL opens up new ways of investigating
texts (in this example Mary Shelley's Frankenstein) #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:39
Can pull XML out of LMNL #kodm @WendellPiez
2012-03-14, 13:39
SVG Visualization based on LMNL structural tagging showing poems, overlaid with
semantically rich circles indicating verse structure #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:37
MITH Assoc Dir @trevormunoz currently attending data modeling workshop at Brown U.
Follow the conversation #kodm http://t.co/W2gx9Kt8
2012-03-14, 13:35
The expansion to 'liminal' is a nice touch. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:35
I'm listening to @wendellpiez deliver the opening keynote for the data modeling
workshop at Brown U. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:33
Nice SVG (zoomable!) visualisation of LMNL-marked up text. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:33
What is the advantage of using LMNL as a range-model over multiple standoff
annotations of one text in XML? #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:31
The demo that @WendellPiez is showing uses XSLT pipelines to progressively process
the LMNL markup. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:31
In LMNL, an annotation can have the same structure as any document (equivalent to
putting a document in an XML attribute) #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:31
Overview of LMNL, a markup language but supporting markup overlap unlike XML. #kodm
http://t.co/ep8VpiyJ
2012-03-14, 13:30
@WendellPiez in LMNL annotations can be marked up and can have metadata inside it.
#kodm
2012-03-14, 13:30
Tuning in as I am able to Data modeling in the Humanities over the next few days
#kodm
2012-03-14, 13:29
.@WendellPiez now discussing LMNL, an experimental markup language with different
affordances from XML. Particularly handling overlap #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:28
@WendellPiez "Can we conceive a viable markup regime with advantages of plain text,
but without XMLs early commitment to hierarchy?" #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:26
@knoxdw @wendellpiez What users won't think about tied to intellectual ends a project
is aiming at. A kind of zooming in & out here #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:25
@knoxdw @wendellpiez Yes and deciding what "users won't need to think about" can vary
project-by-project w/ostensibly similar data + #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:24
@WendellPiez more or less direct relationship between constraints and costs of a data
model and the analytic power of that model. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:24
Interesting/useful hierarchy of costs/complexity in data-modelling technologies. Will
these slides be available online? #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:23
Good to shield uninterested users from details of data model, but interested users
should have ability to play with it. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:23
Need a set of ground rules that users don't have to think about. People can look this
up, but not necessary @WendellPiez #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:22
.@WendellPiez: part of design in data modeling is thinking about what end users
presumably won't need to think about #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:21
Wendell: we don't think abut letters of alphabet when we read a page. Don't know
about that #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:21
Reflexivity problem: in the humanities, we are frequently using text to model text.
The result is a 'descriptive layers' problem. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:19
Do data models hurt as much as LEGOs when you step on them with bare feet in the
middle of the night? #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:18
Wendell Piez: text can be defined as an encoding technology #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:17
.@WendellPiez: modeling can include rules for assembly; also bricolage, inventive
use
things intended for another purpose #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:17
Humanities data-modelling described as frequently a 'bricolage' of disparate
elements. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:16
Appreciative of livestream allowing me to watch @WendellPiez keynote and other
sessions at this week's symposium. http://t.co/zjLFVoVe #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:16
RT @triplingual: As with LEGOs, data models may (try to) convey restrictions as well
as possibilities. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:16
This fist example from @WendellPiez talk is using a lego set for making a model of
the Brandenburg Gate #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:16
Loving @WendellPiez's example of data modeling using a Lego Set for Brandenburg Gate
model as individual legos AND instructions. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:15
Following today: live webcast of #kodm in the Humanities http://t.co/CkHG6VKD and
JISC report on value of data mining http://t.co/xbToHwDc
2012-03-14, 13:15
.@WendellPiez : when talking about models talking about technologies (pieces that
fit
together) & things we build out of those pieces #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:15
As with LEGOs, data models may (try to) convey restrictions as well as possibilities.
#kodm
2012-03-14, 13:15
.@WendellPiez Lego model of Brandenburg Gate: the model as the Gate, or as the pieces
so that someone else can build the Gate #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:14
#kodm @WendellPiez When we talk about models we are talking about several things,
a
technology that allows us to build and what we build.
2012-03-14, 13:13
@WendellPiez schemas push us into thinking about "what we do next"? #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:12
Markup as a central - or at least useful - humanities data-modelling tool.
#kodm
2012-03-14, 13:11
Recognizing many people in the audience from the back of their heads. Seems like
nobody I know decided to wear a wig. That's a pity. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:11
.@WendellPiez three questions: What do we mean by 'data model'? What about markup?
What about schemas?#kodm
2012-03-14, 13:10
@WendellPiez's 3 Questions: "What do we mean by data modeling?" "What about markup?"
"What about schemas" #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:10
*Pragmatic* emphasis from the start: application and experimentation in
data-modelling crucial. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:08
@WendellPiez beginning keynote for #kodm "Data Modeling the Humanities: Three
Questions and One Experiment"
2012-03-14, 13:08
Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling Symposium will have short presentations
& much discussion, later a white paper #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:08
RT @trevormunoz: The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities
Workshop http://t.co/TFzirc84 is about to start. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:08
Wendell Piez is beginning his keynote at #kodm "Data Modeling in the Humanities:
Three Questions and One Experiment"
2012-03-14, 13:08
Now at #kodm : Wendell Piez keynote on “Data Modeling for the Humanities:
Three Questions and One Experiment” http://t.co/e8sBvJro
2012-03-14, 13:07
RT @trevormunoz: The live stream of the event can be found at http://t.co/fSE2Llye
Virtual participation is encouraged. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:06
RT @trevormunoz: The live stream of the event can be found at http://t.co/iWbh53BY
Virtual participation is encouraged. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:05
Oh Good. RT @jean_bauer: Will be tweeting Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling
in
the Humanities Workshop. http://t.co/gWiY46iy #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:05
@julia_flanders reminding us that the conference is being streamed live and that
questions are welcome via twitter and email #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:04
Hi! #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:02
RT @trevormunoz: The live stream of the event can be found at http://t.co/iWbh53BY
Virtual participation is encouraged. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:02
Will be tweeting the Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities
Workshop for the next 3 days. http://t.co/HjXuHzdl #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:01
RT @trevormunoz: The live stream of the event can be found at http://t.co/iWbh53BY
Virtual participation is encouraged. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:01
RT @trevormunoz: The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities
Workshop http://t.co/TFzirc84 is about to start. #kodm
2012-03-14, 13:00
RT @trevormunoz: The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities
Workshop http://t.co/TFzirc84 is about to start. #kodm
2012-03-14, 12:50
The live stream of the event can be found at http://t.co/iWbh53BY Virtual
participation is encouraged. #kodm
2012-03-14, 12:48
The Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities Workshop
http://t.co/TFzirc84 is about to start. #kodm
2012-03-14, 09:51
This looks really good: Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities.
Wish I could be there http://t.co/JIaFEgX0 #kodm
2012-03-14, 02:49
The time difference is working in my favour. Brown's Data Modeling in the Humanities
webcast'll be up first thing http://t.co/Qb0ecMWL #kodm
2012-03-13, 21:11
@polito66 @ClaudineMoulin yes, you're so right #kodm
2012-03-13, 18:51
I'm at Brown for the data modeling workshop starting tomorrow; please participate
using the hashtag #kodm; more info: http://t.co/LrUnKhEX
2012-03-13, 16:44
Just realized my database structure doesn't allow me to ascribe different translators
to different translations... #kodm #majorfail =(
2012-03-13, 09:41
.@raffazizzi: @datasymposium wil be using #kodm everybody is invited to participate
to the event "virtually", so fee free to make questions
2012-03-13, 05:51
Data modeling in the Humanities: giving a digital microscope to scholars. On my way
to #kodm
2012-03-13, 04:21
Participate in @datasymposium by watching live stream of the event at
http://t.co/Pa3EEO4q and join the conversation via twitter using #kodm
2012-03-13, 01:36
Post comments/questions to datasymposium@gmail.com or via twitter; we'll be watching
for them #kodm
2012-03-13, 01:35
Virtual participation welcome! smallInvitationalEvent concept limited only to
physical bodies: virtual bodies in unlimited numbers... #kodm
2012-03-13, 01:34
RT @julia_flanders: Also NB live stream of Knowledge Organization workshop (Wed-Fri
this week): http://t.co/Jig7q3BL #kodm
2012-03-13, 01:33
Also NB live stream of Knowledge Organization workshop (Wed-Fri this week):
http://t.co/Jig7q3BL #kodm
2012-03-13, 01:32
Gearing up for Knowledge Organization and Data Modeling in the Humanities, this
Wed-Fri at Brown. Follow/comment @datasymposium and #kodm!